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Bardicain · Genin Joined: 22 Sep 2012 Posts: 17

So I just have to ask, will the Rinnegan be balanced to player use (such as a major bloodline, with the powerful stuff being unlocked later in a similar way to how mangenkyou sharingan unlocks at a later level), or will it be something that should only be used by NPCs? I'm interested to see how it would be balanced. One more thing, anything new for the jinchuuriki? That is all Very Happy

Frankto · Posted: Mon Mar 11, 2013 8:00 am Post subject:

I already posted what I've got of the rinnegan. And to answer your question, not ever.

As for Jinchuuriki, I'm probably going to include the new bijuu in the Creature's Compendium. No progress on the jinchuuriki template front.
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Bardicain · Genin Joined: 22 Sep 2012 Posts: 17

What do you mean not ever? I know you hate the rinnegan, but you said it would be included at the beginning of this post- or do you mean it will never be balanced?

TheTrulyAvaricious · Bijuu/Tailed Beast Joined: 14 Sep 2011 Posts: 610

Probably that it'll never be done with the intent of players to use. Let's face it, in order to do the Rinnegan justice, it needs to be broken as fuck. It's a +12 CR, with no Level Adjustment, and gives you access to free powers, stat boosts, hp increases, skill bonuses and a whole load of other shit. I created a character that had this template, and at just 14 class levels, he could very easily drop most epic characters on numbers alone. Add in the whole host of abilities, and I could probably tank Ichibi using nothing but a quarterstaff. All well within the Rinnegan's capabilities.

If it was balanced, it would need to be very, very watered down. I estimate you'd be taking about 12 feats to match up with those provided with the template, and even as a Major bloodline, you'd probably still get an extra +5 LA. AT LEAST. So, its not that it won't ever be balanced, but it can't be balanced. The Rinnegan is all the OP. Simple.

Hope that answers your question.
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Felix_Zyphros · Posted: Mon Mar 11, 2013 11:33 am Post subject:

The Frankto Fallacy: The more you ask about something, the more likely it will never happen.

Too many people have asked about the Rinnengan. Thus, it's never going to happen.
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Jensik · Posted: Mon Mar 11, 2013 8:51 pm Post subject:

Actually the Rinnegan was released Christmas 2011.
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Felix_Zyphros · Posted: Mon Mar 11, 2013 11:55 pm Post subject:

Sssh, Jensik, we can't let the secret get out.
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Faran Kredo · Posted: Tue Mar 12, 2013 3:57 am Post subject:

I'm pretty certain that most people here know that... however, it was by no means balanced for player use, and slightly incomplete.

(not to say that I approve of it being OP)
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SirShadow · Biffu Aroi Joined: 10 May 2009 Posts: 2654

I think it was fine for player use. Fine? yes. Practical? No. even if your party starts in Epic levels, the Rinnegan bearer is only going to have like 7 or so HD.

The fact is, there shouldn't be a rinnegan made for player use because it's honestly not something a player should have access to.

Also, the file Frankto put out was entirely complete aside from 2 Epic feats he didn't want to include. Possibly because it would spoil the boss in a certain someone's campaign.

Frankto · Posted: Tue Mar 12, 2013 8:46 am Post subject:

No, the Rinnegan is not fine for player use. It does not have a level adjustment, and it never will--and if it did, it would be somewhere along the lines of +15 or higher. But it doesn't, and nobody in their right mind would give it one.
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Faran Kredo · Posted: Tue Mar 12, 2013 11:14 am Post subject:

I believe that I once created a template with a +12 ECL. This was not for player use though. It didn't even get close in power to what the rinnegan could do...

(basically a lot of really really cool powers that the guy broke out when he needed them, along with tons of bonuses to this and that. However, the guy never got to the point that he could level cities, although he could challenge Kage's by level 12 easily. That was a template too powerful to fall into player hands, so the rinnegan should never go boyond the gm. On the rare occasion that a player has it, they should be overly inexperienced in its use at the start of the campaign, limiting its usefulness, and by the time that it comes into its own, the other players should be well into epics.)
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Frankto · Posted: Mon Mar 25, 2013 9:03 pm Post subject:

Hey, an actual progress update. Who knew? I finished the Speed and Steam Release bloodlines. More to come in the (distant?) future.
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Ms. Maxwell · Genin Joined: 31 Jan 2013 Posts: 27

Hey, Frankto. Can you work on a bloodline template for 2 bloodlines characters like Mei Terumi (Mizukage)? A player of my game would like to create a character like her, using storm and blaze release; but I have no idea how to do it w/o LA or a template... Some specific rule for the system. <3

TheTrulyAvaricious · Bijuu/Tailed Beast Joined: 14 Sep 2011 Posts: 610

As in dual-weilding kekkai genkai? I don't see it being too much of a problem.

Player takes Lightning as an Primary affinity, seeing as Storm is Lightning+Water, and the general consensus is, based on Sasuke anyway, is that Blaze is Lightning+Fire. Player get's two feats at first level for free, assuming they are normal humans, and one from their occupation. Player gets two feats Enton (Blaze Release) and Ranton (Storm Release) as their starting feats, and you probably will houserule they can't select either Enton or Ranton as a Primary affinity, it'd have to be Lightning. Player ends up with three natures at first level, and two advanced natures.

Clear it with your other players, that there okay with this. Because truth be told, it isn't broken. It just gives that player a few more options, in return for a couple of feats. It's not worth, unless your giving them anything else, making it a bloodline. Hence why Mokuton is just a feat, and Hyouton can be a Intermediate bloodline, because of Hyouma.

The only issue you may have is that they may argue taking Elementalist levels for Raiton (Lightning) will mean they get all the benefits to their advanced natures, as both are made up with Lightning. I am very sure that is a major fallacy, as the only class that even remotely allows that is Devastator, with the Advanced Chakra Natures, allowing a player to manipulate two elements into one technique, swapping half of the energy damage into energy damage of the other nature, and then applying any benefits their Elementalist class levels may grant.

I would, as a GM, allow that. It's not a bloodline, but it'd work, and work fairly well too. I wouldn't really do it as a bloodline at all. I see Mei's player doing as I said here, and then just bombing most of her levels into Elementalist and Devastator. As a ECL 25 (roughly) character, I bet she can afford to do so. She never does hand to hand, or is seen with a weapon. We've yet to see her do any genjutsu. Her abilties do just seem focused into her elemental ninjutsu.
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Frankto · Posted: Tue Mar 26, 2013 11:27 am Post subject:

TheTrulyAvaricious · Bijuu/Tailed Beast Joined: 14 Sep 2011 Posts: 610

Glad to hear it from the big man himself. Looking forward to these supplements so much, its nigh unbearable. Ah well, here's me quietly watching and hoping.
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Weejiez · Genin Joined: 09 Jun 2010 Posts: 8

can we get an update on the Ancestral Archives supplement?
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Bardicain · Genin Joined: 22 Sep 2012 Posts: 17

Argh, I can't wait! This is probably going to be my favorite supplement by far! I love stuff like bloodlines and odd abilities. Just gonna have to be patient. If he adds in Pathfinder rules (or maybe just a simple conversion pdf) it could be awesome.

Frankto · Posted: Tue Sep 24, 2013 2:19 am Post subject:

sparks · Genin Joined: 23 Apr 2014 Posts: 1

Is this still active? I'm gonna run a game in about 3 months and I want to use something like this

Reznor · Kage Joined: 20 Sep 2006 Posts: 235

Release plan on this one?

Frankto · Posted: Wed Jun 04, 2014 7:23 pm Post subject:

TBD.
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Jokerakos · Genin Joined: 08 May 2014 Posts: 16 Location: Greece

Just wanted to express my appreciation for the work that have been done till now as a new member of this forum. I am more interested in the Creatures Compendium but up for this too!!

Great work hang in there Smile

hennuae · Genin Joined: 23 Dec 2011 Posts: 6

any news on this one? Razz